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Travis Rayner

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2018, 06:01:26 pm »
Fantastic!  Just remember that chicken math is real....and it is a problem.  But...we have a support group for that!  :)

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2018, 06:49:48 pm »
Promise me you are going to name one of those new Bielefelders Harry Potter!! lol
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2018, 07:42:38 pm »
Definitely a Harry Potter in the group, Angela.  LOL

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2018, 07:49:39 pm »
That would open up an endless supply of names!  Have you set your eggs yet?
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2018, 08:27:24 pm »
No.  I bought an incubator at TSC yesterday on the way home.  Before I opened it, I went online and read the reviews.  It failed!  Temp spikes and unreliable humidity.  I ordered one on Amazon that had great reviews. If it doesn't get here in the next day or so, I'll go to TSC and get the cheaper model to hold me over for a couple of days. Didn't you say that the brooder table is better than the light?  I think I like that idea better.  I don't remember everything you said at that meeting because.... hello! I wasn't planning on getting chicks. Well, I didn't get chicks, did I?  LOL

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 10:53:44 pm »
Yes ma'am!!  Please get a brooder table.  There are a couple of different kinds but I have the Brinsea Ecoglow here:  https://www.amazon.com/Brinsea-EcoGlow-Brooder-Chicks-Ducklings/dp/B008HVM56Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522209135&sr=8-1&keywords=brinsea+ecoglow

You can borrow mine if you want to.  Sue Lee used it to keep her babies warm but they are out in the coop now so she is going to bring it back to.  If you don't want to buy one you are welcome to use mine.  :)
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2018, 11:01:36 am »
Thank you, Angela for your kind offer, but I have already ordered one from Amazon!  In for a penny, in for a pound !  I think I remember I am supposed to use pine shavings and puppy pads or paper towels?  I have cedar shavings but I think I remember those are not good for chicks. I wish I had taken more notes during that meeting!  On another subject: this morning, I found an egg with no shell... yikes!  They have free choice oyster shells and I put extra in their feed today. I am pretty sure it is my EE who stopped laying for a while. This is the first egg in a couple of months.  I'm pretty sure she ate some of the oyster shells this morning.  I am worming them for the second time with that Backyard Chicken Health kit from TS and wondered if that is related.  Is there anything else I should do? I was thinking I could get some yogurt. They won't eat egg shells.   Thank you, so much for your support and education! 

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2018, 11:08:49 am »
Susan,
REMOVE the cedar shavings immediately! 

Remove the chicks/chickens first, remove the cedar shavigns then wash everything.  Cedar shavings can cause severe respiratory damage, even death to both chicks and adults! 
I have cedar shavings but I think I remember those are not good for chicks.
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2018, 12:08:05 pm »
Yep!  You may as well invest in getting all of your equipment out of the way. :)  I have had the same Brinsea for years so it will last a long time.  When you get it home, practice adjusting the table up and down to get it loosened up so you won't be fiddling with it when you have chicks that need to be under it.  You have to hold your mouth just right when you first start adjusting the table height on those things :) but they work beautifully and are built to last.

A soft shell every now and then is normal but since your girl has not been laying it could be sign that she has a problem in the reproductive department. You are taking the right steps to make sure she is getting enough free choice calcium.  If I were you I would not add extra to the feed, the reason being is that you don't want the other hens who are not having problems to develop kidney problems from too much calcium. You can also give offer some phosphorus in the form of bone meal to your laying challenged hen as both phosphorus and calcium are needed to make the shell.

Since you are investing.....LOL... Order some of this, Ropa Complete: https://www.strombergschickens.com/product/Ropa-Vet-Poultry-Complete-500-ML-Bottle/New-Products
  This product is super!! It helps with everything!!  I had a hen a few years ago that kept laying soft shells regardless of diet so I put her on this and her eggs hardened right up.  WARNING ABOUT STROMBERGS'S website....don't start looking unless you have an hour! lol  That website is Chicken Disney World.

I am not trying to be the harbinger of doom but I feel I need to let you know that your girl might have a reproductive issue that will eventually lead to internal laying. Internal laying is pretty common and is the precursor for conditions such as Egg Yolk Peritonitis. For now though you are doing all you can do. Just keep up the good work and keep monitoring her eggs.  She might snap out of it especially with the Ropa in her water. And remember we are here to answer any questions for you.  If there is something pressing, you can always text me for a faster answer.  Also, you should be getting your Chicken Health Handbook today right??  I promise you will sit down with that thing and when you get up you will have a chicken health education. :)

Do you make your own milk kefir?  If not I will be happy to share my grains with you.  I give it my girls about 3 or 4 times a week and they have the prettiest poops and hardest eggs you can imagine.  As a matter of fact, I dropped one on the carpet yesterday from about 4 ft and it didn't break. The egg that is not the poop! lol

Yes, you are correct about the cedar shavings, do not use them.  They contain all sorts of things that are irritating to the respiratory system of chickens.  I always use that spongey rubber maid shelf liner with several layers of paper towels for the first week..week and a half in my brooder. After the chicks have established that they know what their food is you can put pine shavings in the brooder.  Bless their little hearts they can eat pine shavings when they are a few days old because feed gets spilled in the shavings and they do not know not to eat it. 
 
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2018, 03:30:29 pm »
Susan,
REMOVE the cedar shavings immediately! 

Remove the chicks/chickens first, remove the cedar shavigns then wash everything.  Cedar shavings can cause severe respiratory damage, even death to both chicks and adults! 
I have cedar shavings but I think I remember those are not good for chicks.

Travis, I can't figure out how to reply to your comment so I hope this works!

Not to worry.  You read what I typed, but that's not the whole story. I have cedar shavings but they are still sealed up in their bag. I actually use aspen shavings in the nests for bedding, that has no scent whatsoever. I have been using that for close to a year without any problems. The only time they go into the nest is to pay their rent. They free range all day and roost at night.  I have read about how fantastic hemp is for bedding but you can't get it anywhere around here and the shipping is crazy expensive.

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2018, 03:51:43 pm »
Great!  Glad to hear you were not using cedar shaving!  :)  In regards of now knowing exactly how to reply (using quotes)... it is pretty straight forward.  Below is a link to our "How Do I?" section and a training video that will quickly answer your questions about how to deal with this topic.  Hope it helps!

https://www.mobilebayareabackyardchickenclub.com/how-do-i/(guide)-how-do-i-make-a-post-and-reply/

OH...we have a number of training videos in that section that cover different topics of forum use.

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2018, 04:04:31 pm »
Susan, I neglected to comment on the Aspen shavings.  Those are fantastic!  As a matter of fact one of the first things I was told when I had sick chickens with my first flock was to take them off of pine shavings just in case and put them on Aspen.  Do you use Aspen for your rabbits?  You are a good chicken momma. I have a feeling you will be teaching us a thing or too in the near future. :) 
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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2018, 06:22:55 pm »
Susan, I neglected to comment on the Aspen shavings.  Those are fantastic!  As a matter of fact one of the first things I was told when I had sick chickens with my first flock was to take them off of pine shavings just in case and put them on Aspen.  Do you use Aspen for your rabbits?  You are a good chicken momma. I have a feeling you will be teaching us a thing or too in the near future. :) 
Actually, I haven't gotten rabbits yet. We have decided we want purebred, pedigreed, Standard Rex.  Not easy to come by...especially in Mississippi. I think there is someone who raises them near Pensacola. I have been waiting to finish the rabbitry. We still need to build and install the sun/rain awnings.  When I say "we" need to build and install, I mean Henrie!  LOL  I'm pretty sure the only time rabbits need bedding is to build a nest. The guy I get rabbit manure from uses hay. The doe uses that in combination with fur she pulls off her body. I got cages with drop down nest boxes for added safety. Another learning curve.  I'm a glutton for punishment!

I did get that chicken health book.  Man oh man... there is a lot that can go wrong!  Thanks again, for all of you help. 

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2018, 06:46:02 pm »
Keep us posted on the rabbit raising. I would like to try my hand at that in the future as well.  You can give me advice on how to do all of that. 

You are welcome for the help.  That is why we are here. You are such a joy, I feel like we are chicken soul sisters. :)

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Re: Permaculture gardening with chickens
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2018, 04:29:25 pm »
I just watched this on Create.  Hopefully, someone can get a better understanding of Permaculture from it!

https://www.growingagreenerworld.com/episode321/
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